In the beginning:
God of compassion: your Son Jesus showed mercy to a woman condemned by harsh judgment, and gave her life. We pray for prostitutes, who are victims of lovelessness, or of a craving to be loved. Keep us from easy blame or cruel dismissal. May our church seek them out, and show such genuine friendship and true grace that they may know your welcome, and live among us, as sisters of Jesus Christ our Lord.
God? Could you maybe deliver them to understanding and acceptance instead? Because otherwise I will be easily blaming and crueling dismissing these people just as they do to others
And a little later:
With the advent of a new millennium and this report, the writing team thought it was important to begin asking questions about certain male behaviors: Why do men rape? Why do men frequent prostituted women? Why do men beat their wives and lovers? Why do men incest their daughters and granddaughters? Why do men urinate in public? There is one answer to all of these questions: Because they can. Even though all of these behaviors have been deemed criminal by our society, they are epidemic.
Of course! Because they can. And everyday that the fine upstanding Presbyterians manage to resist raping, incesting, beating, and urinating in public is a day that they get to feel superior to all those other less godly men who can’t manage to control themselves. Just in case you were wondering why other men support these bullshit lies – it’s so they can feel like paragons of self control for not raping women all the time like those unsaved non-christians do. It’s only the power of GOD that stops them from raping every woman they see. Let’s hope presby dudes don’t lose their faith, or it’ll be rape madness all over.
And what’s with the study from half a century ago?
Then further on:
Invite your friends to join you in taking the Prostitution Test (Appendix A). Find out what you already know and what you need to learn about prostitution and prostituted women.
Remember it takes two to “turn a trick.” Don’t blame the victim. Engage in conversation about the role of men in prostitution and sexual exploitation, not only as pimps, but also as clientele. Why do men frequent prostitutes? Why do men rape? Why do men commit incest? Why do men batter their wives and lovers? Why do men urinate in public? It is a form of exhibitionism.
You already asked me those questions, you penis obsessed pervert. And I already took your offensive test, fuckwit. And thanks for telling me to “know what I believe”, but I really don’t need a list from church to tell me that. Only moral inferiors need lists to tell them what to believe.
Know What You Believe
Establish for yourself and your congregation a list of your core beliefs about prostitution and sexual exploitation. The following list is from “Pornography: Far from the Song of Songs,” but there are others you can add:
• God is the source of human dignity;
• There is equal dignity of women and men as being created in the image of God;
• Human beings were created with the possibility for the ultimate acts of celebration and joy in sexuality;
• God calls human beings to positive expressions of mutual affirmation and commitment, especially as typified in the calling to faithful, respectful marital and family relationships;
• The historic pattern of dominance and subjugation in human relationships is a distortion of God’s intended creation;
• God’s gift of sexual pleasure is fulfilled in acts of human love and mutual respect;
• God demands sexual responsibility, balancing love for the self and love for the other;
• God calls us to promote the dignity of all persons and to confront the circumstances in society that negate the integrity of human life;
• Christians are called to model the covenantal, compassionate community;
• The love of Jesus Christ is the Good News, (and brings) empowerment to a world filled with conflict, alienation, and fear.
Would it be impolite, or improper of me to ask people if they are pushing a religious agenda when they talk about “dignity” and use those other buzz words we hear all the time? Because it seems like maybe it’s sort of impolite for these moralist shitfucks to go around trying to turn us all into sisters of Jesus, especially since they are doing it for the glory of a god I don’t believe in at all. I’d really like to start calling them out on what I know is their real agenda.
Can I try to force them to smoke weed and sleep around, and conform to my personal faith? No, probably not…
I’m getting pretty goddamned sick of this murderous religious persecution that is being committed against sex workers with decency laws trussed up as anti-trafficking efforts.
And I’m getting pretty goddamned sick of the psychological warfare being waged on sexually liberated women of all feminist persuations by rape prevention scare campaigns that have convinced a generation of young women that they are LUCKY to find a man who isn’t a rapist.
I’m reading through a thread over on the Dawkins forum with the title “Why Is Feminism Still Important?” There’s 52 pages in the thread, – wait – no, I was wrong, there are actually 252 pages because the threads cut off at 100 pages (1000 posts) and the mods continued it. Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
The whole thing is incredibly disheartening. I’m not at all surprised though, these days I expect to be disheartened. I’ve gotten used to people who think of themselves as critical, skeptical and rational thinkers being the most ignorant about what is actually going on in feminism. Well, it’s a toss-up between the skeptics and the conspiracy theorists as to who is more obtuse. I mean, everyone is just a friggin ridiculously wrong about what is going on, but I’d have expected the skeptics and conspirators to have been paying at least a little bit of attention and to have bothered to research a thing or two.
Parts of the thread are like feminism 099, as opposed to feminism 101, with the conversation focused on the typical “men vs. women” thing. Most of the guys are whining about how they never got a break and they are white males, so feminism is totally wrong; and the women are whining about how the guys just don’t understand that white males are the standard against which other people are measured. Lots of custody talk, divorce talk, privilege talk, and basic shit like that. Of course I didn’t read every post – maybe about 400 posts, 40 pages of skipping around in the different threads, so maybe there was some exciting discussion that I missed.
It’s so fucking annoying the way pop feminism rants about how the “white male” is considered the end all and the be all, and they complain about how that has to stop, and yet THEY can’t fucking shut up about it. 90% of the conversations I read are the same old shit, where feminists sit around and talk about what men think of them: do men hate women? do they wanna fuck us all? do they wanna rape us? do they wanna make us be strippers? do they wanna sex traffick us? why do men say they like sluts and not nice girls like us? why do men watch porn? why do men cheat? blah blah blah on and on.
Ugh. And I’m a feminist who sticks up for men a lot of the time – I mean, I know what happens. Shit. Tiger Woods’ situation was clear evidence of the favoritism given to women when it comes to domestic violence – it was sickening to see so many people say that IF he cheated, and IF he was attacked, then he deserved it. That doesn’t mean I don’t get sick of feminism always being talked about in terms of what it’s done “to men” and “for women”.
But, the problem is that lots of folks think these feminists are actually misandrists when they aren’t – though they cultivate that image, they do it to obscure the actual goal of roping everyone into religiously defined “Dignified Living”. Yes religion, it’s not hard to find their blogs, where they spell god as g-d, or where they talk about the new liberal church they just switched to… though, yeah, not everyone who spells g-d, and not everyone who goes to church is the same way…
Consider Woods again – he cheated, therefore he is hated. The women he cheated with – if feminists actually favor women as a group – those women wouldn’t have been vilified the way they were. Maybe some people think those women are favored because they hear feminists doing the victim talk thing, where the “other women” seem to get a pass and excuses given for their behavior.
People who don’t understand that it’s insulting to have people assume you have no free will, or were trained to be a “thing for sex” – well those people are usually considered mentally unstable in some way – according to the statistics most of them were brainwashed with religion starting at a very young age, and they are forever scarred and damaged by it. It’s not their fault, I don’t blame them, I blame their parents for not loving them enough, and for society thinking of them as trash.
The typical feminism-ignorant non-feminist hears a limited range of stuff when issues like the Woods situation get talked about. From what I can tell, they see only two parties – the men, and the women, and they don’t see the difference between the cheated on wife and the ‘other woman’ and they discount or overlook the way women think about other women. In one circumstance they will point out the woman v. woman situation, for example they will come right out and say that they think women tend to be jealous in this way or that way, but put those same jealous women into the larger feminist theories – and all of a sudden we are sisters in feminism thinking with a hive mind. OH YEAH! I saw this video the other day and it’s sort of an example of what I mean. If you click that text link It should be geared up to the right spot where they guy is talking about Catharine MacKinnon and says: “I know it’s clients that your judging, I know it’s not prostitutes – you LOVE prostitutes because you want them to put their clients in jail after they take their money, isn’t that what the Swedish Model is?” – or you can watch the whole thing embedded below – the part I’m talking about is at 5:40…
I don’t know who that guy is – probably someone diametrically opposed to everything I support or something, but he had a video up looking for MacKinnon quotes, and I’m what they call “flush” with MacKinnon Quotes, so I started watching and left a couple quotes, and then I heard the ‘you love the prostitutes’ line and my heart broke a little bit.
But that’s the same sort of thing that always happens – the prostitute is lumped in with MacKinnon who tells everyone that she speaks for “prostituted people” – and it’s such bullshit. Such total bullshit.
JESUS: Son of Mary. No one knows who she was. Father was god, who deserted his mother before his birth, leaving her without room rent or medical attention.
LOVE: A sentiment which all preachers are supposed to feel for all men, women, girls and boys. Sometimes it leads to a prison sentence.
MISSIONARY: A fellow full of enthusiasm and religion, who endures mosquitoes and malaria in order that he may christianize the heathen, in return for which he receives an allowance, an extra pair of wings, and a pass to an orchestra seat in heaven. The poor heathen are defenseless.
Four Hundred Thousand Swedish Perverts
GLQ: A Journal of Lesbian and Gay Studies
Don Kulick 2005
It’s very angry and ranty, or it turned out very angry and ranty because I had to cut it down to under 10 minutes length, and all the angry stuff ended up being where the points were. Took forever. Anyway. It’s over there in my little video thing, “Questioning Authority”. I’m already embarrassed by it. Ugh.
What religion are you? It’s such an impolite question, and we’re not really supposed to ask it. If you do, or if you remark upon someone’s religion, the basic answer is that you shouldn’t ask, as it shouldn’t matter. I don’t know many people who’d really say that it doesn’t matter, but plenty say that it shouldn’t. We all know it does. The people with the most religion know it does, and unironically they are quite loud telling those without religion that it shouldn’t matter, when out of the other side of their mouths they clearly say that it does. They have no shame in saying so, and regardless of what our constitution says, they make it a constant focus of who they put into office, and the ways in which they make those politicians bend to their wishes.
It’s becoming quite obvious these days, with the Catholics getting so frisky of late. They seem to be a little more conspicuous than the protestants. I think it might be all the robes and incense and big hats, because that shit is pretty hard to hide. I asked my reformed catholic buddy – who spent 12+ years in catholic school – what was going on with the catholics – because as I remembered from my youth, they were a fairly quiet bunch. They were that family down the block with a lot of kids who went to church every sunday without fail, and usually in the middle of the week too, and when the kids hit puberty they started going to Our Lady of something terrible sounding instead of the public school. They certainly weren’t the ones seen canoodling with or having spats with politicians over moral issues. “They say that the new pope is all sorts of conservative” is what I asked my pal, and he launched into some long explanation starting with the “well, the cardinals…” and I fazed out until he was done and then said, “so basically, it’s that the pope is conservative?”, and he said yep.
It’s frustrating that so many people misinterpret what religion is trying to do in this country and across the world. There seems to be this notion that evangelical christians and dominionists and legalists and the like just go around willy-nilly knee-jerk reacting to things that upset them. This comes along with the belief that “those christians”, TCs are hypocritical and have an “it’s ok for me, it’s not ok for you” attitude. While those things are mostly true, it’s not so simple as it sounds… They have that ”hate the sin, love the sinner” mantra, but that’s pretty much bullshit, of course. We know they have more of a problem with people who talk about the sin, who aren’t ashamed; if the sin is repressed, they have no problem. The only person who can suppress the sin is the sinner, so if the sin isn’t repressed the sinner gets the blame. Perhaps from their point of view, God could suppress the sin, but of course the sinner has to ask first and accept God into their heart and all that crap.
That’s why they go around telling us about god all the time like we’ve never heard about it before.